This segment covered Bianca Stawiarski's business Warida Wholistic Wellness and a touching story of how equine therapy helped transform a young girl's life after a traumatic experience.

As firefighters and victims struggle with the impact of catastrophic fires, Bianca says therapy with horses can help first responders and accident victims overcome a range of traumas. She is a strong women with a gentle way.

We love seeing Indigenous businesses excel and this is a great example. Watch for the next episodes each weekend on SBS Small Business Secrets and check out the video for Bianca's series below or read the article, 'The Indigenous therapist working with horses to help people heal trauma'.

The series runs each weekend on SBS World News (7-7.30am Sundays, 5-5.30pm Sundays, and 2-2.30pm Saturdays) from 12 Jan through 8 Feb.

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When Gavin Kelly, a Girudala man from Queensland, came to IBA with Smart Syphon, we knew it was something special. Through hard work and determination, Gavin and his team had created the technology to finally allow cotton farmers the ability to move away from the onerous hand syphon system to an automatic water-irrigation system that can be turned on with the click of a button from anywhere in the world.

'Smart Syphon is a system that allows the farmer to automate his irrigation of cotton, improving the efficiency of water use and reducing the cost,' Gavin said.

Like so many Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people all across Australia, getting the much-needed working capital to bring Smart Syphon to life was near impossible, until he engaged with IBA.

'The difference with IBA and a normal bank is that they don't have a prejudice,' Gavin said. 'We could demonstrate that there was a desire for what we were doing and we go their support.'

'If you can back yourself and prove that you can deliver, IBA will support you in where you want to go.'

IBA is thrilled to have been a part of Gavin's journey and to have played a small but vital role in bringing this idea to life.

To find out more about Smart Syphon, please visit https://islex.com.au/smart-syphon.

Franchising is one of the most popular and fastest-growing components of the Australian business sector. A 2014 survey of franchising in Australia revealed a sales turnover of $144 billion, and more than 460,000 people directly employed in the sector.

As the most common form of franchising in Australia, the business format model involves the owner of a business providing products or services (the franchisor), assigning to an individual (the franchisee) the right to market and distribute those products or services, and the right to use the franchisor’s business name to do so. In 2014, there were approximately 1,160 business format franchisors operating in Australia.(1)

A key benefit of buying into a franchise business is that a franchisor has often already invested in creating an established and, in some cases, well-known and respected brand.  Some franchisors will also provide franchisees with significant business support including marketing assistance, operational guidance and advice, and training and skills development. Franchisees can also benefit from increased opportunities to come together locally and nationally to share their franchising experience and learning.

For all the benefits, however, franchising is not a “soft” business option, and requires the same level of planning and commitment as any other business model. Also, a franchisor often requires its franchisees to adhere to strict standards regarding the fit-out of business premises, and other aspects of business administration to uphold the success of their brand and reputation.

Both parties usually sign a franchise agreement detailing any such requirements. The agreement may also cover the rights and responsibilities of both parties, including payment of fees, the area in which the franchise can operate, leasing arrangements, termination and renewal clauses, and the length of the agreement.

Through its Business Development and Assistance Program, IBA assisted Karen Seage (Snap Underwood, Brisbane), and Wendy Brookman (Fernwood Women’s Health Clubs, Canberra City) to negotiate their franchise agreements. IBA also provided both women with business finance and support, including mentoring from an IBA business consultant.

Karen and Wendy agree that seeking appropriate legal and financial advice from an accountant, lawyer or other business expert is vital before signing any legal document.

Both also advise careful consideration of broader personal goals and business objectives such as: the alignment of your personal and professional values with those of the franchisor; the level of control you will have over your own business; the ability of your franchise to grow and match your long-term business goals; and the level of support and training that will be available to you.

Here Karen and Wendy share their experience of buying into a franchise

Karen Seage, Snap, Brisbane, Qld: "If you had your own little print shop or ad agency you would need to be thinking about organising training yourself. I think being part of a franchise keeps you moving with the times, and makes it easier to keep up with technology, the latest trends in printing and so on". Read Room to move part 1: Karen Seage.

Wendy Brookman, Fernwood Women's Health Club, Canberra City, ACT: " I think when you are looking at a franchise you need to look closely at the brand – do you believe in it? That’s going to be your selling point, and if you aren’t happy about taking on the brand it’s going to show to your customers or clients". Read Room to move part 2: Wendy Brookman.

The Franchise Council of Australia is the peak body for the franchising sector, and frequently holds franchising expos and workshops.

The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission has a Franchisee Start-Up Checklist containing useful information on your rights and responsibilities as a franchisee, available for download.

1. Franchising Australia 2014, Asia-Pacific Centre for Franchising Excellence, Griffith University, with the Franchise Council of Australia; Lorelle Frazer, Scott Weaven and Anthony Grace, 2014.

Both Katrina Stubbs and Rowena Leslie had worked for family-owned businesses so understood the resources, time and commitment required to establish and grow a business within the at-times unpredictable mining industry.

‘Mining and business are in our blood, so to speak’, said Rowena. ‘Our great-grandparents were prospectors, our grandparents were mining speculators, and our mother has run a very successful business – Bundarra Contracting - for the last 14 years’. (Bundarra is an Indigenous-owned and -operated company providing earthworks, labour hire, construction and fencing services to the mining industry.)

Tertiary qualified, Katrina has experience in business administration and Rowena in law. With four young children between them, the sisters were keen to create a business structure that would accommodate their need for professional stimulation while fulfilling their desire to care for their children.

‘Out here in regional WA, there are opportunities to establish new businesses because there are a lot of services that still need developing’, said Rowena. ‘We had been thinking about starting a business together for a long time and had played around with different ideas about what to do’.

‘A contract came up for Bundarra Contracting to supply a water cart to a local mine. But Bundarra couldn’t extend themselves to buy another big asset, so decided to hire one. Instead, Katrina and I said to them, “Why don’t we buy the machinery and Bundarra can hire it off us?” And because they wanted to help us to develop our business and to achieve our goals, they said “yes”’.

Water carts are an important asset within the mining industry and are used primarily to dampen and cool roads, reducing dust and air pollution. Mines also often use them as a back-up firefighting resource in remote locations.

What seemed a straightforward premise - establish a business, purchase a 15,000-litre water cart, lease it to Bundarra, which in turn could sub-lease it to a local mine – proved less straightforward to finance.

‘The opportunity was there for the taking’, said Rowena. ‘We had the contract – a five-year lease via Bundarra to a local mine. That was a given, but securing the capital to get our business started was a problem’.

Initially, the women approached Many Rivers Microfinance Limited in Kalgoorlie, a not-for-profit organisation providing advice and business support to individuals and community organisations.

‘Many Rivers were really helpful in keeping us on track … and they motivated us into getting the business plan done, and seeking out investors’, said Rowena.

'They told us about the IBA Asset Leasing Trust. At first we said, “Leasing a water cart? No way, that’s crazy”. But then we looked at banks and also at the loans IBA offers through its business program, and it was going to be too much for us to take on financially’.

‘Many Rivers kept saying, “Have another look at the leasing option; give it a go”.

So we looked into the terms and costs, and realised that it would be a much better fit with our situation. The mining industry is a bit up and down at the moment and leasing was a safer option for us. We were blessed to have help from Jason Varlet at IBA, and valuable pro bono legal advice from a Perth law firm Squire Sanders. so we knew what we were getting into with leasing’.

After successfully applying to IBA’s Asset Leasing Trust Katrina and Rowena secured a lease on a 15,000-litre water cart, and launched Hamlet Machinery in 2013.

Drawing on their professional skills, work experience and personal strengths, the women have easily – and naturally – fallen into their respective roles within the business. Katrina is responsible for the day-to-day administration of the business - book keeping, organising insurance, and general accounting - while Rowena’s focus is building Hamlet’s Machinery’s profile and nurturing business relationships within the mining industry.

‘We have seen Bundarra go through the good and the bad and have learnt from that and applied it to what we are doing’, said Rowena. ‘So we make sure we both know what our roles are, and luckily we are in agreeance about what we want the business to do, and what we want it to achieve for us’.

With the income generated through their first contract, the sisters are hoping to expand their business and acquire further assets.

‘We only have the one water cart at present and it’s contracted for the next five years. So when we approach other clients it’s a juggling act because we are asking them for a contract without having the equipment yet. It’s hard to secure contracts with established working mines because they can just as easily ring up a local hire company and get equipment straightaway. Because it can take years of planning to establish a mine, we are instead talking to those who are at the beginning of the process’.

Katrina and Rowena are aware that this is something of a ‘chicken and egg’ approach to business, which is not without risk. ‘It’s the reason a lot of people can’t get into business in the mining sector’, said Rowena. ‘We have seen it a lot; some mines happen, some don’t. So we need to plan for expansion, but also be aware that it may not happen’.

In making their plans, Katrina and Rowena are committed to maximising any opportunity to generate employment for local Aboriginal people.

‘A big thing with our mother’s business (Bundarra) is about helping others out’, said Rowena. ‘We’ve seen how having a job can help turn lives around, and have seen people come out with experience, training and qualifications. So through Hamlet Machinery we likewise want to build up our community. In empowering ourselves through business ownership we hope to empower others’.

Empowering their children is also a strong motivation for Katrina and Rowena to ensure their business succeeds.

Rowena said, ‘I like the fact that Katrina and I have daughters and we are able to be role models for them and say, “Look, your mums are in business”.

‘The upfront costs of going into business so often make people baulk and walk away, but we want to try and inspire people to look at their options, get out there and take their ideas as far as they can’.

Find out more about Hamlet Machinery or read more about how IBA's Asset Leasing Trust may be able to assist your business.

Kathleen Buzzacott lives and works on the fringe of the West MacDonell Ranges, some 20km west of Alice Springs in the Northern Territory. For 20 years, the natural beauty of her surroundings has fuelled her creative output.

In addition to painting Aboriginal desert artworks, Kathleen creates limited-edition jewellery, combining semi-precious stones with colourful native ininti seeds, which are rare and much sought after by desert women.

Before establishing her own business, Kathleen was working part time as a hairdresser in Alice Springs and devoting any spare time to her art and jewellery, which she sold through galleries and retailers in tourism hubs across Australia. A desire to become a fulltime artist and designer, and to take control of where her products are sold, and at what price, led her to establish Kathleen Buzzacott Aboriginal Jewellery and Art.

‘I gave up hairdressing three years ago and had been relying mostly on the galleries for income’, said Kathleen. ‘I started wondering, “Why am I relying on other people when I could market my own product?” And it just became a really strong desire of mine to start my own business’.

Approaching IBA’s Business Development and Assistance Program, Kathleen was invited to explore the commercial viability of her business idea through its Into Business™ workshops.

Attending those workshops really cemented for me that it is possible to operate a business in a remote area’, said Kathleen.

‘And, I tell you, those workshops were so helpful because I realised all these years I had been underselling myself'.

'The facilitator had me bring in some of my jewellery, and she asked, “How much did it cost to make, how much is your time worth and how much are you going to sell it for to the galleries?” And when I told her, she said, “You’ve just lost $45”, and I just about burst into tears’.

‘My art has always been something that just comes from my heart. And it’s so hard to place a value on what you produce when you are just doing it to put something beautiful out there. How do you put a monetary value on that? So now, I’m still creating from my heart, but I have also developed a good business mind’.

Once Kathleen completed the workshops, IBA provided her with support to develop a business plan and engage a website developer to create her online presence. Working in a remote region, Kathleen acknowledges the business potential that can be unlocked through digital applications such as websites, and online media platforms such as Facebook.

‘Digital and social media is marketing; it’s modern-day marketing’, said Kathleen. ‘You have to move with the times and the technology, and acknowledge things are changing. What I’m trying to do is share something with the world, and opening an online store means I can reach a wider global market. It also means I can keep prices at a level where people can afford my work, because the mark-up in galleries can often put it out of people’s financial reach’.

In engaging a web developer and entering the digital arena, Kathleen was keen to ensure continuity of her brand across both digital and print mediums.

‘I conveyed to the designer what I wanted, and what I’m like, and said I was trying to create a personal experience for people. And he’s done himself proud; he even came all the way out here and taught my son and I how to content-manage it’, she said.

At around the time her website was going live, Kathleen’s profile received a valuable boost when a piece of her jewellery was selected for presentation to HRH the Duchess of Cambridge during the 2014 royal visit to Uluru.

‘Clive Scollay, who is General Manager of Maruku Arts at Uluru, has always been a huge supporter of my painting’, said Kathleen, explaining how the opportunity arose. ‘My mother has traditional affiliations with Uluru, which is how I came to already be selling my artwork out there. I would love to think the Duchess will actually wear the jewellery I created. It was very exciting to be asked, and you can’t buy that kind of exposure’.

Although she launched her website amid that media attention, Kathleen nonetheless continues to experience a challenge common among new online business owners: making her business visible in a busy online marketplace.

‘Going into that online world has not been as easy as I thought it would be’, she said. ‘People don’t know I’m here, and I haven’t done enough marketing of my website as yet’.

‘Also, selling jewellery, I’m aware that a lot of women like to try before they buy, to pick a piece up and look in a mirror, and they can’t do that online. In the meantime, it’s been good to still have other streams of income coming in from the galleries and other collaborative works where I get royalties’.

To raise more awareness of her business, Kathleen created a Facebook page. But while she has built a community of followers interested in both her creative process and her life in the Territory, she finds such interest does not always translate into sales.

'I have found my Facebook followers are not necessarily my customers’, she said. ‘I am finding that people go to Facebook for a chat and to look at photos and interact with me; but they are not necessarily looking to buy’.

Like many small business owners short on time and staff, Kathleen has found it challenging to set aside the time to maintain her online presence while producing enough art and jewellery to sell. However, she understands the importance of nurturing and developing her online business relationships.

‘I’ve noticed with the online shop that some customers still want the one-on-one contact’, she said. ‘They want to engage with me on a personal level, so we will talk on the phone or send emails back and forth. And I make sure there’s that contact. The online world can be quite impersonal and it’s not an environment everyone is comfortable operating in. If I had a shop, I’d be keen to make sure a customer has a good experience in dealing with me, and it’s no different online.

‘Also, when I’m dealing with hotels, new galleries and other potential outlets, I always go and present my work in person, which is how I have established good working relationships over the years. Face-to-face relationships matter, because you develop connections with people and get a better sense of who you will be working with’.

Kathleen’s need for personal contact is one reason she recently opened her own artist’s studio on the family property to complement her online business.

‘I have realised I need to be with people’, she said. ‘I am used to talking to people at the hair salon. And the reason I stayed in hairdressing so long was the people; talking and listening and sharing together’.

The new air-conditioned studio, and much of its interior, was funded through a grant from the Northern Territory Government’s Indigenous Business Development Program. The walls and cabinets give Kathleen the opportunity to showcase her artwork and jewellery, including a replica of the necklace gifted to the Duchess of Cambridge.

‘To open up a studio here, right on the tourist belt of the West MacDonell Ranges with busloads of tourists and lots of traffic passing each day, it’s perfect for turning this from my business into a family business’, she said. ‘The studio will complement the website nicely, and it’s an opportunity for tourists visiting the gaps and gorges in the Ranges to stop in, have a cup of tea, meet my family and see me at work. Hopefully, having seen my art and jewellery first-hand they will be more likely to visit my online shop and tell others about it too.

‘I have taken out membership with Tourism Central Australia, and have created a brochure to distribute here in Alice Springs. A lot of tourists ask, “Where can we go and meet the people who make the art”.

'I will now be able to use Facebook and my website to show photos of people experiencing that interaction with an artist, because that’s part of what I’ll be selling – the experience'.

In offering that experience, I acknowledge the Traditional Owners of this area, the Arrente people. I am blessed to be able to live and work in such a special place’.

Kathleen says the encouragement and support of her husband, two sons and extended family has been crucial during this start-up phase of her business.

‘My 20-year-old is right at home in the online world, and his advice and technical know-how is important in building my online presence. He helps me with checking and responding to emails, and keeps my Facebook page and website up-to-date. That takes some of the pressure off me, and allows me to concentrate on creating products to sell, and marketing and promoting the business to let people know I’m here. He is enjoying helping me and I hope eventually to be able to employ him in the business.

‘And then there’s my husband who, as well as being one of my greatest supporters, is my voice of reason when it comes to developing the business. He often reminds me to slow down, and “Stop moving the goalposts”. But in my mind there are no limits; my plan is to kick those goal posts down’.

Find out more about Kathleen Buzzacott Aboriginal Art and Jewellery and IBA's Business Development and Assistance Program.

You may remember reading about Wayne and Lucy McGinness in issue nine of Inspire (‘Hot Property’). The couple established their business Aboriginal Steel Art in 2008, and have steadily grown it with assistance from IBA’s Business Development and Assistance Program. Wayne creates original Aboriginal steel artworks, including functional pieces – fence panels, gates and balustrades – one-off, fine art sculptures, and a range of corporate gifts.

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Wayne and Lucy McGinness have created a charmed life for themselves and their family. Their business is going from strength to strength, with a flood of new commissions and increasing recognition from the corporate world.

In addition to their successful business, Wayne and Lucy have recently finished building a new home in Kuranda, near Cairns in FNQ. Their three children are excited about their new home and have already staked their claims on the bedrooms. The big garden with its lush leafy surrounds is great for playtime and also big enough for Wayne to have a workshop, meaning he can stay close to home and his adored family while he works.

The couple’s diligence, thoughtful planning and faith in each other is certainly paying off.

Wayne and Lucy always planned to buy a home after they moved to Queensland from Darwin to start the business but were waiting for the right time. They were already well aware of the benefits of home ownership.

‘It’s about having security’, said Lucy. ‘You know that every time you make a mortgage payment you are investing in your future. Also, when the kids get older, it will always be our family home – our retreat, our haven. The kids might go off to uni or work but they can always come back. Hopefully we bought enough land for a few granny flats for them to live in!’

The couple applied for a construction home loan through the IBA Indigenous Home Ownership program in 2013 and decided to construct their dream home.

‘We were looking at our options and found something we could afford’, said Wayne. ‘We actually pay only an extra $20 a week on the mortgage than we were paying on rent.

'Of course there are extra costs like rates and insurance’, said Lucy. ‘but when it’s your own home you don’t mind spending that money. It’s your home; you are investing in your future’.

‘To get our income back to a level where we could borrow money, we needed the business to be doing well,’ added Wayne.

‘IBA’s support helped us get to the point where we could borrow the money to build our own home. It’s been an easy process with IBA; they really feel like family now’.

Building their own home was the ideal option for the family’s specific needs, such as Wayne’s workshop. Although the workshop build was not covered as part of the IBA home loan, they were able to fund this through their business.

‘We really needed the space,’ said Wayne. ‘The grinding is noisy, so being on at least an acre provides a good buffer for neighbours’.

‘Having the workshop so close helps with our home life as well’, said Lucy. ‘Sometimes, Wayne will stop at 3.30pm when the kids get off the bus and then go back to work at 5pm. He couldn’t do that if he was in Cairns, commuting to a workshop’.

When they started Aboriginal Steel Art Lucy kept her full-time job in real estate so that they had a steady income and didn’t put “all our financial eggs in one basket”. In time, she reduced her hours to three days a week so that she could work two days on the business with Wayne. Now that Aboriginal Steel Art is flourishing and bringing in new commissions, Lucy has resigned from her job to work in the business full time.

‘At the end of the year, I was quite run down – I was being pulled in too many different directions and couldn’t give 100 per cent to anything’, said Lucy. ‘Thinking about and planning the house also took up a lot of time. Now that it’s done, we can concentrate on the business again’.

Lucy keeps track of the orders and manages the company administration, as well as meeting clients and maintaining relationships. This allows Wayne to focus on designing and fabricating the steel pieces.

At the time of our interview, Wayne was working on an interesting commission to create a large ceiling installation for an exclusive apartment development. Orders for corporate gifts, awards and trophies are also plentiful and the couple have a plethora of plans in the pipeline.

‘I wake up early in morning and have so many ideas’, said Wayne. ‘But they all have to wait their turn. It’s great that we’re so busy, being self-employed though’, added Lucy. ‘Being busy means the company is working’.

Wayne hopes to collaborate with his friend and well-known Aboriginal artist Wayne Quilliam later this year. ‘I want to create something that blows people away’, he said. ‘Watch this space because it’s really going to be something’.

The couple has two further goals for 2014: to create a lifestyle range, including home wares and garden art, and to develop new architectural opportunities for the business.

At the end of 2013, Wayne and Lucy visited San Antonio, Texas as part of the Supply Nation delegation to the NMSDC Business Opportunity Fair, aimed at building supplier diversity networks and opportunities.

While they were there, the couple met the head of the Minority Business Development Agency, David Hinsen, who advises President Obama about minority suppliers. By their own admission, it was a “mind blowing moment”.

‘It was the best networking opportunity; how would we get to speak to him otherwise?’, said Wayne. ‘If we weren’t over there for the delegation, we would never have met him’.

‘He was amazing and so confident that our ideas would work’, said Lucy. ‘He said to us: “just do it”.

‘He also encouraged us to think big’, said Wayne. ‘He gave us ideas and we came home with a plan. We were in a daze!’

The couple acknowledge IBA and Supply Nation in assisting them to make contacts and create opportunities that have helped their business grow, as well as Fortis One - their business mentors - who have been instrumental in helping guide the business.

‘There’s no doubt that if we didn’t know IBA, Fortis One and Supply Nation, we would not be where we are today’, said Wayne. ‘But you need something to bring to the table in first place. You need necessary skills and the drive to put the hard yards in’.

It’s certainly a credit to their hard work and determination that Wayne and Lucy are now at a point where their business and home life complement each other.

And while their workshop and their home are full of spectacular artistic creations, their family’s future is perhaps their best design of all.

Find out more about IBA’s Indigenous Home Ownership program and Business Development and Assistance Program.

‘Geez Kristy, don’t cry; just don’t cry’.

In the days leading up to her guest appearance at last year’s Aboriginal Enterprises in Mining, Exploration and Energy Conference on the Gold Coast, Kristy Marsh was giving herself a stern talking to. She found herself feeling unexpectedly emotional while rehearsing the presentation she would deliver to 150 Indigenous business owners and representatives from the mining and construction industries.

The presentation, titled ‘I Bought a Crane’, provided Kristy with an opportunity to reflect on the personal and professional journey that has taken her from pulling apart starter motors and toasters on the floor of her childhood home, to being co-owner and Managing Director of Wakaya Group her crane hire, labour hire and training company.

Kristy spent more than three years researching, establishing and growing the business, while caring for two young children and undertaking her own professional development training. Opportunities to stop and reflect on what she and partner Jolyon (Jo) Rapley have achieved have been rare.

Speaking with Kristy, though, it’s clear that stopping is not something this focused, passionate and proud Yulluna (pronounced Yull-a-nah) woman intends to do.

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‘Excuse the mess’, says Kristy, opening the door to her Brisbane home. The toys, clothes, and remnants of a family breakfast, alongside the folders, computers, Wakaya Group banners and work boots at the door, speak of a family home filled with high energy, activity and purpose.

Organising to meet Kristy and Jo together is not easy. Aside from juggling the needs of two pre-school age children and managing the day-to-day operations of the business, Kristy also works outside the family home delivering industry-related training. Meanwhile Jo is employed at a construction hire company in the Pilbara region of Western Australia, requiring him to spend four weeks working away from home on a rotation basis.

‘It’s what the industry requires’, said Jo, ‘especially when the work dries up here in Brisbane. All the guys with families want to stay and work here, but when it’s in short supply you don’t earn as much. And when you’ve just bought a $500,000 crane…’

The 25-tonne crane Jo refers to is the primary asset underpinning the couple’s crane hire and training company.

The idea for the Wakaya Group took shape in 2010 after the birth of the couple’s first son when Kristy, who was employed as an open-ticketed crane operator started thinking about how she might continue her career in the industry she loved, while caring for her young family. ‘After my eldest son was born, I had to think about what I was going to do', said Kristy. ‘Child care opens at 6am, but I would have needed to be on a construction site by that time at who knows where across Brisbane. So it wasn’t flexible enough in that way for me"".

I started researching the business idea because I had always wanted to be my own boss', said Kristy, who worked right through both pregnancies operating a 160-tonne track crawler crane. ‘I can’t sit still – it’s just not me’.

That same energy has fueled a lifelong love of taking things apart to examine how they might work better. ‘As a child I would pull everything apart and try and put it back together again but, of course I couldn’t’, said Kristy. ‘Sorry, mum, don’t know what happened to the toaster! My grandfather owned a wrecking yard and I used to hang out with him, and pull apart old cars. The whole house would be littered with carburetors and starter motors. I remember pulling things apart while I was eating breakfast’.

After leaving school at 16, Kristy began an apprenticeship as a fitter and turner, and worked in the local construction industry before travelling overseas and securing a role as Technical Manager for an Italian packaging company. Kristy says that after three years living out of a suitcase, a desire to “get back on the tools” led her home to Australia where she qualified as an open-ticketed crane operator. This qualification allows Kristy to work on the largest of mobile cranes operating on construction sites.

Her love of pulling things apart was central to providing Kristy with the knowledge and confidence to make the move into business ownership. After 18 months of researching the viability of the Wakaya Group, she and Jo approached IBA’s Business Development and Assistance Program for business support.With Jo working interstate, however, it was Kristy - eight-and-a-half months pregnant with their second child - who attended IBA’s three one-day Into Business™ workshops. The workshops aims to assist Indigenous Australians to explore their business idea and readiness for taking on business ownership.

‘I finished the workshops in a week’, said Kristy. ‘I had already done a lot of the business planning and research. And I had limited time because I was due to give birth in two weeks… So it was like, could I come back next month for the next workshop? Probably not!’

‘I remember going in for my first interview with IBA. I was sitting there thinking, “These must be those crazy pregnancy hormones everyone talks about”. There I was eight-and-a-half months pregnant, and asking IBA for a loan and business support.

'I remember the day IBA approved our business loan; it gave me so much courage to think that someone else believed we could pull this off. I never have had the chance to thank whoever was behind that decision’.

Jo says he had no doubt Wakaya Group would succeed with Kristy at the helm. ‘Whatever she sets her mind to, she achieves’, he said. ’Even with her study, she always tops the class in everything she does. As soon as we started talking about the business, I knew she’d make it succeed, there’s nothing going to hold her back, she will just keep going’.

An IBA business consultant has assisted the couple to fine-tune their business financials and operations. ‘Going through the business plan and having a look at all the figures, there were some things I had missed…’ said Kristy. ‘I had thought of all the obvious things like insurances, and I’d researched competitive pricing, fuel and so on. But the consultants got down to the nitty gritty of things, like legal fees for drawing up contracts, print costs; and they really pulled it apart’.

Despite her commitment, Kristy says the reality of what she and Jo were taking on hit home one night just before their new 25-tonne asset was due to be delivered. ‘About a month before the crane was due to arrive, that was my one night of having a bit of a panic, and that was it’, she said. ‘I think it was everything required to launch the business, looking after the two kids, and Jo being so far away working in WA. On paper it all looked so good, but here was the reality coming toward me. I remember being on the phone to Jo in WA that night in a panic, and all Jo said was “wow, so you are human Kristy!”. It made me laugh, and as quick as the worry came, it was gone’.

In a compliance- and regulation-driven industry, Kristy has put considerable energy into ensuring Wakaya Group has the licences, policies and procedures in place so the crane can be hired out onto mine sites where the strictest of safety rules and regulations apply.

‘Kristy has gone above and beyond what a normal small crane business would provide in that regard’, said Jo. ‘She’s got policies and procedures and safety documents that are on par with the company I work for out west, and they’re a huge national company. The work she has been able to do and what she’s accomplished is really quite mind-boggling, especially when she’s looking after the children as well’.

‘You have to’, said Kristy.

‘If you want to play with the big boys then you need to look like one, even if you’re not in terms of size! You have to tick all the boxes, be on the same playing field in terms of your professionalism’.

Both Kristy and Jo admit juggling family, the business and Jo’s absences from home for four weeks at a time is challenging.

‘I’ll be trying to explain something to Jo down the phone, and sometimes I’ll go off on a tangent and the kids are going crazy in the background…’, said Kristy. ‘Everything I do, Jo is really supportive, but he’s also good at saying, “So you’re doing this and this and now this? Really?” He helps rein things in and keep me on track. We just have to work hard to keep the communication going…’

‘It would be good to get to the point where we’re both working in the business together’, continued Kristy. ‘In the New Year I am looking at doing wet hire, which means hiring out the crane with an operator and a dogman – all the personnel. That means taking on employees; I am hoping they’ll be a little more co-operative than toddlers – at least they won’t be teething!’

‘I am laying the foundations for the training side of it now, and I am trying not to bite off more than I can chew’, said Kristy. ‘I already deliver training, and I have just been approved as an accredited trainer and assessor through Workplace Health and Safety, Queensland, which is great because I can start working as a contractor within my own business. Eventually I want Wakaya Group to become a registered training organisation. I want to set up on-the-job training packages for my Indigenous students; kind of like a traineeship where they go out on construction sites or are placed within the work environment so they get that extra hands-on training. I want Indigenous students coming out of my class to be the best of the best, so that companies who want labour will ask for Wakaya trained people. I believe we need to break the negative mindset that still exists out there around utilising Indigenous employees and businesses’.

‘And eventually I am hoping to cross pollinate and grow the business to have a fleet of cranes, Indigenous trainees and labour working for me, and be mostly Indigenous-operated as well as Indigenous-owned’.

Asked about her focus and determination, Kristy said: ‘Í don’t see the obstacles or barriers until someone points them out. So, for example, I have worked in the industry for my whole life, so I don’t see it as male-dominated. And I suppose a lot of things that would hold other people back, I don’t see them; or if I do, or if someone happens to point them out to me, that just makes me even more determined’.

In summoning that determination Kristy says she draws inspiration from her Elders, past and present. ‘My late Uncle was a strong mentor for me; every time I had an idea in my head, he was always very encouraging, but also very direct. He has passed away, but in challenging times when I think “What are you doing”, or “Do you really think you can do this”, I can hear him telling me to “Shut up and do it already”!

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A Gumbaynggir man from the mid-north coast of NSW, chef Clayton Donovan is the owner of the award-winning Jaaning Tree restaurant and Australia’s first Indigenous ‘hatted’ chef. Highly respected within the industry for his innovative fusion of Asian and European cuisine with Indigenous flavours, Clayton will soon be sharing his passion for native foods and sustainable food practices with a new audience. His new cooking show will debut on Australian television in mid-2014.

Clayton’s love affair with sharing culture through cooking began in his childhood when he would take wilderness walks with his aunties and grandmothers, tasting native foods and learning about his cultural traditions. As an adult, Clayton moved to Sydney, training as a chef under Kenneth Leung at the Watermark Restaurant, before travelling and working overseas in some of England’s finest five-star hotels and restaurants.

Clayton’s dream was to return to Country and give full expression to the ‘craft of cooking’ through his own restaurant. The dream became a reality in 2008 when Clayton launched the Jaaning Tree in Nambucca Heads with his wife Jane and with assistance from IBA’s Business Development and Assistance Program. Jaaning (pronounced Jaa-nee) is Gumbaynggir language for ‘wattle tree’, which has traditionally been an important food source for local Aboriginal people.

Clayton’s cuisine has been labelled ‘stunningly innovative’ by the Australian Good Food & Travel Guides Awards, which has awarded the Jaaning Tree a chef’s hat on three occasions.

All such accolades aside, however, it is his family and community, preserving and sharing his culture, and supporting the region’s food producers and growers about which Clayton remains most passionate.

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1. On harvesting the goodness around you: ‘More and more people want to connect with and to know where their food comes from and how it’s prepared’.

I picked out the name of my restaurant when I was a child. It is Gumbaynggir language mixed with English so it’s intertwined, which reflects both my cooking and what Jane and I wanted to achieve with the business. Since setting up the business, we have used local suppliers and producers; so whether it’s choosing food or people, we’re using all the goodness that’s around us.

We want to showcase that goodness because that makes it a uniquely local experience for people visiting the area.

We don’t want food coming in a box, which you stick on a shelf or in a microwave. We’re trying to concentrate on the old traditions and craft of cooking, preparing food from the start without all the technological gadgets. We make all our own stocks – it takes three days – and our own breads and pastas.

What we have been doing here at Jaaning was a big gamble, but I truly believe in staying true to yourself and believing you can make a go of it. Sustainability is increasingly what Australia wants, what the world wants. People are more interested in the old methods and traditions of foraging, sustainable fishing, and using local markets and community suppliers.

More and more people want to connect with and to know where their food comes from and how it’s prepared.

2. On carving out a business identity: ‘For Jane and I, it’s about making people who come to the restaurant feel like they’re part of a family’.

When we started out, we had the white linen and fine dining going, but that changed because of the more casual kind of dining necessary during the global financial crisis. But I think that’s great, because there are other restaurants doing fine dining. This is a little more relaxed and accessible, and it’s a place where people can feel comfortable.

The Jaaning Tree has become a destination restaurant; people stay in Nambucca Heads just to come here.

For Jane and I, it’s about making people who come to the restaurant feel like they’re part of a family. We will see them in the streets around here, or when we do cooking demonstrations down in Sydney and they’ll come up and say “Hi” because we’ve made a connection through that dining experience.

3. On keeping your chef’s hat in perspective: ‘There’s no point in being the best if no-one wants to work with you...it doesn’t matter what trade you’re in’.

We’ve learned a great deal about the challenges and pitfalls of business ownership along the way. Before becoming my own boss, I’d trained and worked in world-class, five-star restaurants where I had people who did my budgets and whole marketing teams; all I had to do was turn up, organise my staff and cook what was required. To start doing it all on my own ... there were things I had missed out on learning. But we asked our friends and our networks.

You need to ask questions, and then stand back and listen to others in business. Don’t be frightened, because no-one knows it all, and everyone’s gone through similar learning curves.

I had also worked alongside some good people down in Sydney, like Mark Wilson from Watermark Restaurant, and I learned a lot about managing myself and others from him that I still apply today. So that’s more about the type of chef you want to be, and the type of person you want to be. There’s no point in being the best if no-one wants to work with you ... it doesn’t matter what trade you’re in.

4. On turning flour into bread: ‘And that’s how I like to work; don’t tell me what’s wrong with it, tell me how to make it better’.

We had so many obstacles when we started out, but for me, it’s always been about, well how do we make it better? And that’s how I like to work; don’t tell me what’s wrong with it, tell me how to make it better.

I started life with not much at all, and I moved out of home when I was young, so I always had to make do with what I had, or make it better. That’s true with cooking too – you start with basic ingredients and turn it into something better – so flour turns into bread.

I’m a true believer; I believe if you have a good idea, something will come of it, the money and the people will come.

We’ve been lucky we have met some really good, well-connected people – people in the industry, financial planners, and the guys at Brookfarm [an award-winning macadamia producer in Byron Bay], who are really great mentors to us. All these people have helped us become a stronger unit. But that’s about being open to it too. It’s so easy to get engrossed in your own business, but other people looking in can offer a fresh perspective and say, “Have you thought about doing this or that?”

5. On bringing others to the table: ‘It’s because people are interested in what we do, which you don’t really think about until you start doing things on social media’.

Having worked in these great food establishments, I’d seen the way they focused and positioned themselves, placing more of their marketing cents in their internet presence.

With our online newsletters, forums and Facebook, we are connecting with people all around the world. It was Stefano Manfredi in Sydney who told us we needed to get on Twitter. He was up here, and as soon as he set it up and we photographed some finger limes it went ‘whoosh’. It was bizarre where it went to and how far. It’s because people are interested in what we do, which you don’t really think about until you start doing things on social media. It’s just us doing our thing during the week; which we take for granted. But people are really interested to read about me finding some native food, or Jane making some chutneys or an event we’re doing with the whole family. What’s normal to us is not normal to people who love the foraging and local produce and that kind of thing.

Jane has been producing and selling chutneys and other products infused with native ingredients at food markets and online, and they are going strong.

And people within our community like to bring their excess fruit and vegetables [lemons, guavas, chillies, bunya nuts] because they don’t want them to go to waste. So it’s that family/community/food connection thing again.

That sharing of food is a craft, and something we risk losing, especially on my side of the culture.

6. On chance meetings and dodgy knees: ‘The TV show will be my culture crossing over to contemporary cuisine, which is an extension of what we are doing here at the restaurant’.

I was doing a cooking demonstration at a festival. I was wearing this punk skull T-shirt with a mohawk on it and everyone else was there in their chef’s jackets. And Jane said, ‘You can’t wear that’. But I think people want to be entertained…and I thought I could make this really fun, so I went wild.

Afterwards I met a lady from the media industry while I was standing in a queue for coffee and we got talking about bringing what I do to television. I’d already been thinking about what I will do once I am no longer able to cook. We’d done some filming for a couple of television shows, and I was already thinking I’d like to do more of that sort of thing if I ever got the chance.

I can’t cook forever, and my arms are already suffering from all the tong work and lifting and flipping frying pans, and both my knees have gone.

So television again is about building a community around what you are doing and how you are doing it. For us, it’s ‘How do we promote bush foods to get them across the line and into Australian households?’ We know how many people are interested, so it’s about reaching people on a bigger scale.

The TV show will be my culture crossing over to contemporary cuisine, which is an extension of what we are doing here at the restaurant.

7. On promoting reconciliation on a plate: ‘We are governed by the need to eat; it’s the oldest ritual and there’s chemistry that happens around a table that people take for granted’.

Each episode we will deliver the story on traditional country, using the country’s Aboriginal name, and then its given name. So it’s Birpai country, and then it’s Taree or Port Macquarie… We wanted to develop an idea where we could promote reconciliation on a plate. It’s about showing everyone how they can easily integrate native foods into their everyday cooking. We sit down and eat three meals a day – isn’t that the easiest way to sell a message? We are governed by the need to eat; it’s the oldest ritual and there’s chemistry that happens around a table that people take for granted.

If you put food from another culture in front of someone, they will eat it, experience it and not be scared of it. In some circumstances, people won’t eat it, but at least they will have a try. And that’s OK, that’s what makes us all unique. Maybe that’s what we need to do with this whole reconciliation thing … just try it from different angles.

So the show will feature all these wonderful, quirky producers and growers who I work with. They’re not all Koori; they are from all walks of life and culture. It’s crucial for me to have these people enriching my life; they all play a big part in what the Jaaning Tree is. There are so many branches to that tree, and there’s room for everyone under it.

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After 14 days suspended above ground, every muscle aching from balancing himself on narrow scaffolding, Kalgoorlie artist Jason Dimer savoured the opportunity to lie down, look up and enjoy a ‘Michelangelo moment’, knowing his artwork was complete.

The journey to that moment began months earlier when Jason was commissioned by IBA to paint the arched dome in the entrance hall of a building on Boulder Road, Kalgoorlie. The building was acquired by IBA in 2003 through its investments program and refurbished to government office standards, with tenants including the local Indigenous Coordination Centre. Where possible, IBA seeks to extend the economic development opportunities provided through its investments to the wider community. To this end, the walls of the building have long showcased the work of local Indigenous artists, including Jason’s own father Neil and sister Miranda.

‘My sister’s piece is right inside, as soon as you walk in…’, said Jason. ‘And that’s what actually attracted me to the place. I used to drive past, and sometimes at night there was a light left on inside and…I could see her painting a mile away’. Jason decided to make a visit to Boulder Road to discuss having his own artwork displayed, but once inside it was the possibilities for the arched dome within the entrance hall that captured his imagination.

‘I looked up at the dome area above me’, said Jason, ‘and thought it looked really bland… Having that artist’s eye I could see it really needed something, and I started thinking along the lines of Michelangelo… I asked IBA about [painting] it and they were receptive to my idea. Once it was approved, it only took me a few days to come up with the whole concept for the art and the scaffolding’.

A curved plaster dome presents different challenges to working on a canvas or the linen cloth favoured by many Indigenous artists. So in creating his art concepts, Jason was required to factor in ceiling height, artificial and natural lighting, the scale of the dome and the absorbent nature of the plaster onto which he would paint. It was a challenge he says he relished both as an artist and as his father’s son. ‘I like a challenge’, he said, ‘and I just had to think on a bigger scale… There’s no such thing as can’t; that was instilled into me as a child by my father, and his father before him – it’s an inspirational line that runs through our family’.

Jason’s family ties span the length of the WA goldfields, from the Wutha Yilma people of the north to the Malba Mirining people in the south. After years of observing the painting techniques of his father and other community members, a teenage Jason took up his brush 23 years ago as a form of relaxation. He said: ‘My father was pretty surprised that I could actually paint. I said, ‘But I’ve been watching you do it for years!’ My style differs to my father’s though; his style was traditional contemporary whereas mine has a lot more symbols. I basically tell personal stories, and I pass those stories on to my children through my paintings… I am not telling traditional or sacred stories though, more about the things that have happened in my life. Most of those paintings will last 100 to 200 years….so those stories will eventually become a way of tracking the past for my family’.

It is a respect and love for family and his traditional lands that Jason has honoured in the newly completed artwork in the Boulder Road building. ‘The basic theme that runs through the painting is a central waterhole, which I believe depicts the meeting place or a place to come together’, said Jason. ‘Then there is a goanna and a snake. For me the goanna represents a protector of the land, the area that’s around here. And the snake represents the protector of the waterhole. So there’s the water and the land, being the goldfields in the Kalgoorlie area; or the Karlgurla area as we call it. Karlgurla means the silky pear which grows in abundance here, and those silky pears ring the whole dome [artwork]…’

‘There are some personal symbols throughout the painting too’, he said. ‘The way that the goanna is pointed north represents for me, on a personal and artistic level, the strength and power of my father… And the snake, pointing south, reminds me of my mother, in terms of being able to get through and adapt…as she faced difficult tasks and was able to get through’.

Jason drew on that strong personal and artistic legacy in tackling the project. ‘The wall paints that I worked with were very different to the paints I use on canvas’, he said. ‘Í know mine [canvas paints] off by heart, but these wall paints were unpredictable. I had to work out which ones drip a bit more, which ones I’d have to double-dot or come back and check, and which ones take longer to dry simply because of the pigment and make-up of them… It was pretty fiddly at times, and I was using unconventional methods such as pieces of dowel and then foam pads [make-up pads] on sticks, and using those to dot with’.

More challenging for Jason at times was the physicality of keeping his balance on the scaffolding for hours at a time. ‘I was standing at times, crouching and kneeling at times, and I ended up with sore knees and a sore neck…’ he said. ‘I was pretty much using all my leg muscles to keep my balance all day. My partner Jeanette was very helpful; she was there alongside me most of the way. We created a little pulley system where we had a bucket with a rope and I’d pull the bucket up with all the materials in [it]. It took about 14 days to complete and it would have taken a lot longer if Jeanette hadn’t been there to help’.

When asked how he knew the artwork was complete, Jason said: ‘Finishing a painting or piece of art is sometimes more difficult than it seems. I felt like I had to get down, and look at it, and then get back up again. I did that about five or six times before I was happy with it’. After watching her husband climb up and down the 14-foot scaffold numerous times, it was Jeanette who finally insisted that the artwork was complete. ‘I think the moment when my wife told me to stop was when I finally finished off’, said Jason. ‘An artist generally knows when a job’s done, but a little encouragement helps!’

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On any night of the week, you’re likely to find one or more of the Outback Global (formerly Australian Outback Apparel) team attending a 3 am meeting in the United States by videoconference; fielding a telephone enquiry from a customer somewhere in the Pacific region; on board a flight bound for China to audit a supplier’s production standards; or at home doing the business accounts. It’s a gruelling schedule, but a deeply rewarding one as the team goes about the business of taking Outback Global…well, global.

Established in 2009 by CEO Jasmin Herro and International Sales Director Michael Cima - and now a 100 per cent Indigenous-owned company - Outback Global sources and distributes a wide range of high-quality work and safety wear, uniforms, business attire and promotional merchandise. The company has more than 50 direct relationships with factories across Australia, Asia and the Pacific region, and recently established offices in the Chinese cities of Shanghai and Guangzhou.

But it’s the company’s recent joint venture with a US entrepreneur that’s requiring the late hours and early morning shifts; an agreement that has the potential to take Outback Global to a whole new level and corner of the world.

With several decades of business experience between them, the team behind Outback Global understands that strong and strategic relationships based on mutual respect and shared values are key to achieving the long-term growth and sustainability they seek. Speaking with Jasmin and her husband (Outback Global’s General and Operations Manager) Slay in Sydney, it’s evident that those quality relationships stem from the heart of the business itself.

‘The people we seek to form business relationships with are motivated, have the same ethics, are trustworthy – and we like them’, said Jasmin. ‘Michael Cima, for example, is one of the most motivated, driven people we’ve ever worked with, and we’re so privileged to be standing shoulder to shoulder and forging ahead with him’.

Another valued relationship is the one Outback Global formed three years ago with business-to-business membership body Supply Nation. Supply Nation aims to contribute to the growth of a vibrant and sustainable Indigenous business sector by encouraging diversity within Australia’s supply chain. The organisation does this by connecting Indigenous businesses (Certified Suppliers) with corporate organisations and government agencies (members) that want to buy their goods and services.

As a majority-owned Indigenous company, Outback Global gained Supply Nation Certified Supplier status in 2010, and since then has leveraged numerous business and networking opportunities to grow its customer base in Australia and overseas.

But as Jasmin is quick to point out, it’s what you do with those opportunities that matters. ‘Every time I attend a Supply Nation event my business grows’, she said. ‘But I also put my all into those events … In Australia, there aren’t many Supply Nation members that we haven’t sat in front of and told who we are. We’ve been very proactive here’.

Outback Global knows that its ability to deliver merchandise and apparel is what keeps new orders coming. According to Slay, sometimes turning down a lucrative order or contract makes the best business sense.

‘You have to be smart about it’, said Slay. ‘The hardest thing for any business that is getting opportunities thrown at it is to say no. But at the end of the day, you have to be able to turn around and say... “I can’t do that at the moment”. It’s not fair to muck up an order or job for somebody because it hurts your customer, your brand and your reputation.

‘We had one situation last year where we had to say no to a major corporation because we simply couldn’t guarantee delivery’, he added. ‘All it would have taken is one or two days of that order being held up at port or customs and we would have missed the deadline. And it hurt, because we had been chasing the customer for a while!’

Jasmin believes it is experience and maturity that makes those tough calls easier. ‘I think 15 years ago we were different people’, she said. ‘We still have the same ethics, but as people we are stronger now. We have seen examples of what we don’t want in our business, and what we don’t want to be. We are very clear about who we are and where we are going. I think it’s that confidence that comes across at all levels. It’s part of the culture of our business’.

The Outback Global team drew heavily on that confidence to pursue one of its most important business opportunities to date. With financial support from IBA, the team took up a Supply Nation invitation in late 2012 to join a 23-strong delegation of Certified Suppliers at a major business trade fair in Denver, Colorado. It was there that, exploring the possibility of expanding their operations into the US, they were guided towards American entrepreneur Donald Fairconeture, President and CEO of Unity Promotions.

‘Once again, we went along to that event prepared to work hard’, said Jasmin. ‘We made a decision before the fair that if we were lucky enough to find the right partner in the US, then we would go for it. Our time in Denver was spent talking to potential partners. Through our networks we were assisted by some fantastic people, especially Denise Coley from Cisco Systems USA. Literally on the last night we were there, Denise told us about Donald Fairconeture’.

As the first 100 per cent Indigenous-owned company outside the US to successfully obtain minority business certification, Outback Global entered into a joint venture partnership with Donald. The result is a new company – Outback Global USA – which, over time, will see the business expand its merchandise and apparel into the large and lucrative US market.

'We still have the same ethics, but as people we are stronger now. We have seen examples of what we don’t want in our business, and what we don’t want to be. We are very clear about who we are and where we are going. I think it’s that confidence that comes across at all levels. It’s part of the culture of our business’.

If that all sounds too easy, Jasmin says it wasn’t, and that preparing Outback Global to expand to this level has taken years of building solid business structures. IBA has supported the company in that process, providing business support and mentoring in the early stages of formation, and ongoing support to facilitate the Outback Global team’s attendance at Supply Nation events. In 2012, the company also received a short-term loan through IBA’s new Fast Track Loan Assessment service enabling it to complete a contract with a major corporate in the Australian mining industry.

‘This was not a case of being lucky’, said Jasmin. ‘So even though it appears to have been a short amount of time in which this has happened, it’s actually been a whole lot of hard work. All this time we have been delivering on our side too, so that we look attractive to a partner. We had already been talking to all the people who made recommendations to us [in Denver] for a number of years. We didn’t just rock up and have people say “look at this little Indigenous company, what can we do for them?” There is no handout mentality at work at [Supply Nation] events. We had the whole Outback Global team in Denver. There were tireless meetings, lots of presentations, getting together and working out exactly what we wanted’.

Signing the US joint venture agreement was just the beginning of what continues to be a very busy time for the Outback Global team as it starts establishing solid business foundations for the new US company while ensuring its Australian business stays strong. That’s the reason for the late nights, early mornings and frequent flights to meetings and discussions across a number of countries and time zones.

Jasmin says she and the team are excited about the challenges and opportunities ahead. ‘We have a wealth of experience behind us as well as connections, relationships and skills’, she said. ‘In 12 months time, the story will be totally different again. We are just holding on now – we have the knee pads and elbow pads and we’re just going to hold on’.

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